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		<title>Comment on On Loving Our Neighbours by magdalenaperks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penance is not punishment. It is a gift back to God to show that you want to learn and grow. If you are self-punishing, you are only causing yourself and God pain. Penance should beg given by someone else, not by yourself. That would be very true for you, so no penance unless you talk to your spiritual advisor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penance is not punishment. It is a gift back to God to show that you want to learn and grow. If you are self-punishing, you are only causing yourself and God pain. Penance should beg given by someone else, not by yourself. That would be very true for you, so no penance unless you talk to your spiritual advisor!</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Loving Our Neighbours by Amber Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m definitely in a time of learning in my life, and I hope that you know this is all me thinking out loud! I would like to hear your thoughts on pentance. I use it in a very unhealthy way, I am aware of it. But at the same time I don&#039;t want to ignore that part of discipleship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely in a time of learning in my life, and I hope that you know this is all me thinking out loud! I would like to hear your thoughts on pentance. I use it in a very unhealthy way, I am aware of it. But at the same time I don&#8217;t want to ignore that part of discipleship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Peacekeepers for Christmas? by Amber Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is just very very sad.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Reminder on Plain Convocation by martine</title>
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		<dc:creator>martine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like a good idea.</description>
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		<title>Comment on On Loving Our Neighbours by magdalenaperks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so true! Drama, over the top drama, is what people want. I&#039;ve heard from people that when their &quot;story&quot; was told on a reality programe, it was so distorted that they didn&#039;t recognize it anymore. Out culture has become one big adrenlin junkie. We&#039;re like kids addicted to some visual sugar high. I&#039;ve been able to see glimpses of that British production, The Tudors. It is a historical soap opera, with Henry VIII portrayed as a hunk. (HA!) It is a period of history I know well, being something of an Elizabethan, and while it isn&#039;t way off fact, the portrayals of the characters are so unrealistic in many ways. Everyone is beautiful; no one has a withered arm, or missing teeth, or even that once universal sign of poor healthcare, smallpox scars. Drama! Beautiful people! Lack of morals! Incredibly intricate and frightfully expensive clothes! It&#039;s not Hollywood, it&#039;s sixteenth century England! Not because it was really like that - we get to miss the dreadful cold, poor food, poor hygiene and long periods of stupefying boredom - but because our society craves that kind of excitement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so true! Drama, over the top drama, is what people want. I&#8217;ve heard from people that when their &#8220;story&#8221; was told on a reality programe, it was so distorted that they didn&#8217;t recognize it anymore. Out culture has become one big adrenlin junkie. We&#8217;re like kids addicted to some visual sugar high. I&#8217;ve been able to see glimpses of that British production, The Tudors. It is a historical soap opera, with Henry VIII portrayed as a hunk. (HA!) It is a period of history I know well, being something of an Elizabethan, and while it isn&#8217;t way off fact, the portrayals of the characters are so unrealistic in many ways. Everyone is beautiful; no one has a withered arm, or missing teeth, or even that once universal sign of poor healthcare, smallpox scars. Drama! Beautiful people! Lack of morals! Incredibly intricate and frightfully expensive clothes! It&#8217;s not Hollywood, it&#8217;s sixteenth century England! Not because it was really like that &#8211; we get to miss the dreadful cold, poor food, poor hygiene and long periods of stupefying boredom &#8211; but because our society craves that kind of excitement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Loving Our Neighbours by magdalenaperks</title>
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		<dc:creator>magdalenaperks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that my &quot;spartan&quot; simplicity is also a matter of taste. I like things that way, it makes me comfortable, and sometimes we all have to pull back and live with nothing more than the basics. It&#039;s good to know that we can do that! I am not punishing myself when our meals are zucchini, onions and bread for three days. It&#039;s what we have. Those days, eggs are luxuries! It is a matter of perspective. Clean water from a mountain spring is a luxury for those who live in deserts. Right now, for you, Amber, in your place and time, you can have colour and beauty. It&#039;s not an indulgence. Certainly, colour and graceful objects can actually change your brain chemistry to help you fight the depression. Right now, we are living in a house I can only call a mansion. Our last abode, the mountainside cabin, would fit in our bedroom. It is owned by the church, not a person, and it serves the priest here not only as a home, but as a refuge for others like us. In exchange for this place to live, and its atmosphere of Christian service, we give some service of our own, but in gratitude, not recompense.

I think I need to look at the subject of penance sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that my &#8220;spartan&#8221; simplicity is also a matter of taste. I like things that way, it makes me comfortable, and sometimes we all have to pull back and live with nothing more than the basics. It&#8217;s good to know that we can do that! I am not punishing myself when our meals are zucchini, onions and bread for three days. It&#8217;s what we have. Those days, eggs are luxuries! It is a matter of perspective. Clean water from a mountain spring is a luxury for those who live in deserts. Right now, for you, Amber, in your place and time, you can have colour and beauty. It&#8217;s not an indulgence. Certainly, colour and graceful objects can actually change your brain chemistry to help you fight the depression. Right now, we are living in a house I can only call a mansion. Our last abode, the mountainside cabin, would fit in our bedroom. It is owned by the church, not a person, and it serves the priest here not only as a home, but as a refuge for others like us. In exchange for this place to live, and its atmosphere of Christian service, we give some service of our own, but in gratitude, not recompense.</p>
<p>I think I need to look at the subject of penance sometime.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Loving Our Neighbours by Amber Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking...and I&#039;m always worried about words and not saying what I&#039;m actually meaning. so I&#039;ll start with which I agree.
*I agree that the physical neighbors around those who need help should always be willing to help one another. 
*I agree that pet parlors are over the top :)
*I agree there is such as thing as too big

I have become more and more uncomfortable as I&#039;ve done my own searching and reading and praying with the idea of spartan living. I know that extremly simply living is something I do to almost punish myself when I feel like I&#039;ve sinned. I know that it&#039;s something that I basically see as a pentance when my depression is at it&#039;s worse. I know that I delight in giving gifts and receiving gifts. I love making pretty things to give to people. They have no useful function, but they are beautiful and bring happiness and joy to those I give them to. 

I think I say all this to say, through reading your blog and knowing that I don&#039;t want to be consumed with everything physical - I&#039;m starting to believe and understand there is a balance. I cringed a little because I think the goal is not for the world to be spartan, which is what you write and encourage often comes across as, but that we do not take up so much that our brothers and sisters have nothing. I want to give everyone things that there only function is to be pretty and lovely. 

But perhaps this also depends on one&#039;s theology of body and soul? I am not sure. I do not believe the soul is more important than the body or even that we are going to leave this body behind, but that it will be made perfect at the second coming and eternal life. These thoughts also come out of my years of fighting the demons of my depression and knowing what brings me closer to the light of Christ and what makes me stray back to the darkness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking&#8230;and I&#8217;m always worried about words and not saying what I&#8217;m actually meaning. so I&#8217;ll start with which I agree.<br />
*I agree that the physical neighbors around those who need help should always be willing to help one another.<br />
*I agree that pet parlors are over the top <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
*I agree there is such as thing as too big</p>
<p>I have become more and more uncomfortable as I&#8217;ve done my own searching and reading and praying with the idea of spartan living. I know that extremly simply living is something I do to almost punish myself when I feel like I&#8217;ve sinned. I know that it&#8217;s something that I basically see as a pentance when my depression is at it&#8217;s worse. I know that I delight in giving gifts and receiving gifts. I love making pretty things to give to people. They have no useful function, but they are beautiful and bring happiness and joy to those I give them to. </p>
<p>I think I say all this to say, through reading your blog and knowing that I don&#8217;t want to be consumed with everything physical &#8211; I&#8217;m starting to believe and understand there is a balance. I cringed a little because I think the goal is not for the world to be spartan, which is what you write and encourage often comes across as, but that we do not take up so much that our brothers and sisters have nothing. I want to give everyone things that there only function is to be pretty and lovely. </p>
<p>But perhaps this also depends on one&#8217;s theology of body and soul? I am not sure. I do not believe the soul is more important than the body or even that we are going to leave this body behind, but that it will be made perfect at the second coming and eternal life. These thoughts also come out of my years of fighting the demons of my depression and knowing what brings me closer to the light of Christ and what makes me stray back to the darkness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Loving Our Neighbours by akhomeschoolfun</title>
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		<dc:creator>akhomeschoolfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They actually built a &quot;home&quot; here in Fairbanks, well North Pole actually a few years ago. A few months before they had people nominate who should receive the home and why. Well, a family of 9 with extended family also staying  made the tiny 2 bedroom home they were all crammed in very crowded. So they did the show for them. It&#039;s now this huge, fancy house. Unfortunately, they now have heat, utility and tax bills they can&#039;t really afford with the new house. Sure, the house is nice, but it&#039;s not practical. The local economy got a bit of a lift and the community got some PR for a short time, but now that years have gone by, the family has been left to do for themselves. I often wonder how other families who got homes like that are doing after a few years. People need hand up not a hand out. 

I agree, smaller or at least more practical home designs would be more helpful, but viewers don&#039;t want practical. They want drama. It&#039;s all about ratings and profit for the network. The family is only a tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They actually built a &#8220;home&#8221; here in Fairbanks, well North Pole actually a few years ago. A few months before they had people nominate who should receive the home and why. Well, a family of 9 with extended family also staying  made the tiny 2 bedroom home they were all crammed in very crowded. So they did the show for them. It&#8217;s now this huge, fancy house. Unfortunately, they now have heat, utility and tax bills they can&#8217;t really afford with the new house. Sure, the house is nice, but it&#8217;s not practical. The local economy got a bit of a lift and the community got some PR for a short time, but now that years have gone by, the family has been left to do for themselves. I often wonder how other families who got homes like that are doing after a few years. People need hand up not a hand out. </p>
<p>I agree, smaller or at least more practical home designs would be more helpful, but viewers don&#8217;t want practical. They want drama. It&#8217;s all about ratings and profit for the network. The family is only a tool.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rephrasing&#8230; by magdalenaperks</title>
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		<dc:creator>magdalenaperks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful remarks, Sarah. Is al this a result of the fervor of the last days? Probably, but we must still try to win souls, provide for the poor, live a life of praise, joy and in the hope of glory. Matthew 28 still stands! Not one yod or tav has disappeared!

I am stil waiting for responses as to organizing a Plain Convocation. Please pray about this and ask others you knowwho might be interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful remarks, Sarah. Is al this a result of the fervor of the last days? Probably, but we must still try to win souls, provide for the poor, live a life of praise, joy and in the hope of glory. Matthew 28 still stands! Not one yod or tav has disappeared!</p>
<p>I am stil waiting for responses as to organizing a Plain Convocation. Please pray about this and ask others you knowwho might be interested.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rephrasing&#8230; by Sarah Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magdelaina,

I will be praying that your &#039;higher-ups&#039; will treat you with a little more support and  civility. Once again, I  fervently think organizing such a meeting as you invisage  is NOT riding  rough-shod over your bishop; Ordained minister or no, I perceive anything like this you organize would be as much about one plain, modest soul reaching out for contact and   spiritual  fellowship from other plain,  and simply modest souls. 

You&#039;re perfectly correct re technology ( touch of irony...) Skype etc make video conferencing for those of us far, far away a real possibility. And as for the older method... I had to smile! it is  rather  amazing to post modern  insensibilities that anything thus transmitted ever made it to its destination let alone survived down through the ages, but obviously it has, from the Vindalander letters (excuse spelling) to far eastern  documents, we&#039;ve got them even now...how much  electronic letters, musings, documents etc will have survived into the  centuries (if our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ delays his  return  for some reason  for a few hundred years)...

on a local television programme on  Wednesday night, some interesting statistics were shared. in the UK, during and post wwII, virtually all the nation&#039;s fruit and vegetable needs were met locally, more often than not through the  allotment system. Now, half to two thirds of their fruit and vegetables are imported...as the anti simple and tragically enslaving new  post war ecconimy  has been fully realized in all its diabolical inglory. As of around 2002, 2003, the world&#039;s population tipped from  the agricultural majority to the urban majority. coupled with  the multinationals tightening the stranglehold on seed production etc,the ordinary man and woman are being forced into a mould of dependancy upon an economically and eccologically unsustainable system. I could go on about  local and state government  future planning strategies actively forcing out local agriculture, meaning cities can no longer feed themselves as they once did, more or les, even 30-40 years ago, but that would require a post in  own right! 

should we strive to  address and rectify this state of affairs for the sake of our children and theirs, or is it  an unavoidable symptom of the  &#039;last days&#039;?

I look at young couples I know who both commute long distances to work, but cannot afford to do anything less if they are to keep a roof over their heads, as in this part of the world, even rental prices for  questionable  acomodation is scandellous. Furthermore, this modern, diabolical way of doing things  divides and conquers re family, as many grown children can simply no longer to afford to live in the locale of their parents, due to disgraceful rises in the housing market; thus parents and children are separated; young couples are far from support of either family...sometimes folk can live and settle locally to one another, but all too often, this is proving increasingly difficult. Then there&#039;s the state of the family  itself; the last 40 years have seen an unprecedented breakdown of the family unit. &#039;Last days&#039;? 

blessings,

Sarah,
Sydney,
Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magdelaina,</p>
<p>I will be praying that your &#8216;higher-ups&#8217; will treat you with a little more support and  civility. Once again, I  fervently think organizing such a meeting as you invisage  is NOT riding  rough-shod over your bishop; Ordained minister or no, I perceive anything like this you organize would be as much about one plain, modest soul reaching out for contact and   spiritual  fellowship from other plain,  and simply modest souls. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re perfectly correct re technology ( touch of irony&#8230;) Skype etc make video conferencing for those of us far, far away a real possibility. And as for the older method&#8230; I had to smile! it is  rather  amazing to post modern  insensibilities that anything thus transmitted ever made it to its destination let alone survived down through the ages, but obviously it has, from the Vindalander letters (excuse spelling) to far eastern  documents, we&#8217;ve got them even now&#8230;how much  electronic letters, musings, documents etc will have survived into the  centuries (if our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ delays his  return  for some reason  for a few hundred years)&#8230;</p>
<p>on a local television programme on  Wednesday night, some interesting statistics were shared. in the UK, during and post wwII, virtually all the nation&#8217;s fruit and vegetable needs were met locally, more often than not through the  allotment system. Now, half to two thirds of their fruit and vegetables are imported&#8230;as the anti simple and tragically enslaving new  post war ecconimy  has been fully realized in all its diabolical inglory. As of around 2002, 2003, the world&#8217;s population tipped from  the agricultural majority to the urban majority. coupled with  the multinationals tightening the stranglehold on seed production etc,the ordinary man and woman are being forced into a mould of dependancy upon an economically and eccologically unsustainable system. I could go on about  local and state government  future planning strategies actively forcing out local agriculture, meaning cities can no longer feed themselves as they once did, more or les, even 30-40 years ago, but that would require a post in  own right! </p>
<p>should we strive to  address and rectify this state of affairs for the sake of our children and theirs, or is it  an unavoidable symptom of the  &#8216;last days&#8217;?</p>
<p>I look at young couples I know who both commute long distances to work, but cannot afford to do anything less if they are to keep a roof over their heads, as in this part of the world, even rental prices for  questionable  acomodation is scandellous. Furthermore, this modern, diabolical way of doing things  divides and conquers re family, as many grown children can simply no longer to afford to live in the locale of their parents, due to disgraceful rises in the housing market; thus parents and children are separated; young couples are far from support of either family&#8230;sometimes folk can live and settle locally to one another, but all too often, this is proving increasingly difficult. Then there&#8217;s the state of the family  itself; the last 40 years have seen an unprecedented breakdown of the family unit. &#8216;Last days&#8217;? </p>
<p>blessings,</p>
<p>Sarah,<br />
Sydney,<br />
Australia.</p>
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